TOYOTA 200 SERIES, SUCCESSES AND FAILURES, UPDATED MAR 2012
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courtesy of Bow and Nan, who have successfully upgraded both their GVM AND their maximum Towing capacity.... This is great news for 200 Series Owners. They Post as follows:
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Moved to NSW so I had to go through the hole GVM upgrade again. Sad

I used specialised vehicles to do all the paper work. They upgraded the GVM to the USA standard so I was told. The new GVM is 3798kg. The interesting bit is they also upgraded the Tow Capacity to 3720kg. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Note there is no GCM on the rego papers or rego label in NSW



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: Adequate toe vehicle? Reply with quote

My wife and I have four kids and are currently looking at purchasing a 21'BT and pull it with a late model LC200 TD Sahara that we already have. Bearing in mind that we are soon to give the Cruiser a GVM susspension upgrade by ARB, in other peoples minds would this be an adequate tow vehicle to haul the BT, family and gear around Australia.
Would like to hear if people have a similar setup and/or any tips on how to keep the weight down.
Cheers, Rich.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Chief,

First of all WELCOME TO THE FORUM, POST NUMBER 1... !!

Chief, as an update, mid 2011: We would have at LEAST 250-300 of the V-8 Diesel 200 Series pulling Bushtrackers in the 20-21' range. I am the hub for information in general, and of all of those I have only heard of a few that have had problems. The oil burners are maybe two? It is very rare. That seems to be primarily a mine thing, really heavy overwork with poorly run in or seated rings. Other problems may 2-3 with a misc group of electrical and I think one transmission problem..

Overall the 200 Series has been far more robust than I originally anticipated. Most of our Bushtracker Owners continue to travel with them, and this year probably 80% maybe 90% are towing with the 200 Series. I think you are right on track with the size of van and the tow vehicle..

Regards, Cowboy, half a Horseman, and Admin...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: electric windows Reply with quote

As an owner of a 200 series that has travelled 90,000 klms, and a large percentage of that towing a bushtracker over some very rough country. I have come accross a small problem on two occassions with the electric window on the drivers side. when operated in full auto mode, the window will close to almost the top and then automatically go back to the bottom. I was not able to close the window. I was advised by a fellow bushtracker owner while camped at parrys beach wa, that there is a simple "reset" procedure. this is as follows-
press and hold the window switch in the down position for 8-10 seconds, then lift the switch to the up position for the same length of time. apparently this will reset the limiter switch internally, and the window will operate normally.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a 21ft BT and had a 200 series VX cruiser with the GVM upgrade etc. We have now upgraded to a Chevy. In our opinion I would not go over a 20ft with the 200 series unless you intend to travel very light.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: CURRENT GXL TO VX TO SAHARA report from the Cowboy.. Reply with quote

I am putting this on here, as the Toyota 200 Series has proven to be our most common tow vehicle for the past 2 years. I have just upgraded our 200 Series Bushtracker test vehicle to a new VX and there are some surprises...

First report on KDSS and VX differences... My Wife has a bone spur in her neck, so She is very sensitive to the ride. Now I personally cannot confirm either, until I have tested the VX more, but She claims two remarkable things that I will relay in here:

One, She swears the ride is smoother. She would be the one to report on that. Regardless of anything else, She has gone from the GXL directly to the VX and swears it does ride smoother.
Two, She claims that it has a tighter turning radius, in how She is able to turn into known places. Now this is a surprise, I will have to measure. I can tell you the underside of the suspension is different and maybe it is possible. She says it is because of known turning radius at her gym and Physio parking lots...

Regardless of Her reports above.. The VX upgrade makes sense to me for about $12,000, difference: Good value for the full leather, KDSS standard that results in longer 4x4 wheel travel, for the sun roof/moon roof, for the built in back up camera and screen in the dash, burl wood look trim, stereo controls on the steering column, electric adjustable seats that go lower for a tall person, and whether or not this tighter turn and smoother ride turns out, to me the VX is a really good value, not necessary, but nice....

Now many of our Owners are going for the top, the Sahara, and here is my research on that: The Sahara, does nothing for me. It is all the VX, but also DVD players behind the head rest (only for kids), sat nav also in the dash but a few hundred dollars gets you the latest and latest map upgrades mounted elsewhere, auto dimming rear mirror, and a little fridge in the center console and different steering wheel. Also a split air with a separate compressor in the back, but my VX has air in the back anyway... . My analysis: I cannot recommend the Sahara for about $17,000 more than the VX.. it does not make sense.

My Office Manager Matthew, has also bitten the bullet due to his height and the electric seats going lower, has ordered a VX as well, and concurrs on this analysis.. Hope this is of value to you perspective Owners...

Regards from the Cowboy, Admin, Bushtracker

P.Script add on:
First driving test myself, and I have to say I am further impressed. The new instruments are nice, as is the like LCD display in the center that you can change for various readouts. The new 200 Series VX is in a whole next league, my observations as a Rig Junkie as follows:

The back up camera in dash, is also like an LCD screen that is multi function.
The leather seats are very comfortable, the dash and burl have the feeling of luxury, the controls on the steering wheel are handy, the seat adjustments are electric and very nice, but this is all unnecessary luxury items. In funtion, the ride does seem better and smoother, but possibly it is because the VX is a bit heavier. Regardless, it is quieter, the engine noise is far quieter, and the door panels and fit and finish is more of a luxury vehicle in style and feel.

It is very nice to drive. If money is not a handicapping issue on the purchase, I would suggest that for 11-12k more, the VX represents very good value for money. I would also swear they have internally refined the engine as it is not as coarse, and runs quieter, and has less noise at an idle.

One further Tip: I would suggest you negotiate extended Warranty. I got a 6 year, 150,000km Toyota Warranty for $1800. Negotiate that, as they may throw it in to make the sale on a VX.

Kind regards, Cowboy, Admin, Truck/Rig Junkie, and half a Horseman.. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This VX is so nice, Ipod docking, stereo sound, leather, and all the rest, that I do not think I would go past this as a Luxury Vehicle. It is safe with even side post air bags, the works. You get respect on the highway, and have the 4x4 in reserve for anything. I would hate to run around in a short little luxury sedan, because I am used to being up in the air in a 4x4. THIS is my idea of a town car luxury sedan, the Landcruiser VX... Wink

One of our Owners has sent in this link, to the current 200 Series FULL SERVICE MANUAL.... Free of Charge... Fault Codes and all.... Cool....

http://toyota.esealtd.com/toyota/lc_grj200/index2.html
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We would be interested to know which BT Matthew is towing with his new LC 200 and what extras he has added. Has he gone for a GMV upgrade and which one? We are about to take delivery of a LC200 Altitude Special Edition to tow our 20ft BT to be delivered next March.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Neill & Jude,

At this point my Landcruiser 200 is as it came from the dealer. I only picked it up a few weeks ago and have 1,200km on it so far.

We currently have a 19 foot Bushtracker with a tare weight of 2,580kg. Loaded with all our gear and water the weight is 3,240kg with a ball weight around the 260 - 320kg (depending on loading and water tank use).

I have decided not to perform a GVM upgrade as I do not wish to load the vehicle with many accessories. I use the vehicle as my everyday drive car so all I will look to add will be a front protection bar (most likely ARB). At the moment the payload capacity on the vehicle is 625kg which is sufficient for our needs (only just).

However if you wish to load the vehicle with more than this, perhaps a winch, some rear drawers, a boat on the roof then the GVM upgrade becomes more necessary.

Do the sums and see how you go. Subtract the kerb weight from the GVM of your vehicle to calculate your payload and then subtract the items you wish to install. Dont forget to include the ball weight of the van (count on over 300kg when loaded), fuel in the tank and the weight of the driver and passenger.

ARB and Lovells both offer GVM upgrades however I do believe that the Lovells upgrade allows for a higher GVM. Again it will come down to how much loading you need.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt, regarding the bullbar, just my thoughts for what they are worth.

The ARB bullbar weighs about 80kg. That's like carrying another person in the vehicle all the time.

They shake quite a bit too, because they can't bolt onto the chassis like days of old.

We have never hit anything with our vehicle since we started 4wding in 1972. My next vehicle won't have any sort of bar added to it.

As I said, just my ramblings.....
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anyone towing a BT with a LC200 Sahara? Interested in knowing your tyre selection for off sealed road use. These are the wheels that are fitted to the Special Edition LC 200 Altitude.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Neil and Jude,

Now that I have a 2012 Sahara, doing the R&D to see if it is worth the upgrade from a VX, I can comment... First of all there is a Topic in this Category TIPS ON TOW VEHICLES on the new vehicles, TOP MOST COMMON BUSHTRACKER TOW VEHICLE, 2010-11-12 where you Owners can decide if the upgrades are cost effective or not.. For me, it is, not so much for the extreme European luxury car goodies, but some functional bits.. I appreciate the air-conditioned seats, the four cameras with range finders and proximity alarms for tight maneouvering, the remote back opener on the key fob and dash for access in the rain, cold box in the front, and so on... Worth it to me. more in that Post above if you are interested. Now on tyres, it is a bit of a problem, as the new ones are 18"... If it were me, and it is me, I would just run the new ones out and then look at maybe going down to 17" if they will fit over the brakes. 18" is just not enough rubber left to let down to much, so the idea of running them out on a van does not work very well... Dunno, this is a hard one...
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Now on to Loki, and your mention of running NO BAR??? Look, a brand new 200 Series coming in here from Blackwater area hit a roo on the way in to pick up their new Bushtracker Crying or Very sad . It took out his front mudguard, his bonnet on the corner, the head light module, and the tail swung around and did in his door. I myself on one short trip took out a Safari record of 11 animals back in the 90's... Three roos, wood duck, a big black pig that ran out on the road ahead of me, and more. Loki, you could have been lucky, but I will have the bar thank you... In fact I am going to Order the new ARB steel winch compatible one and have it painted in the "Crystal Pearl" to get the refined look.

Give me this style for sure, here is a picture of the white on white that I will do and the colour coded one on my wifes VX, and the Toyota tubular one that is not as strong...



Vrs the Tubular one that is made in the Philipines or Malasia or somewhere by ARB, but to me does not look as strong and am told is no where near as strong. A weak cousin, at least I am told... But it does not look as strong, shown below in the 2011 model on the left and the front end for 2012 on the right.. It looks like the tube could be folded into the body as it lacks that billit style bracing shown above...



Loki, I would suggest that you have been VERY lucky, while many others like myself have hit a number of vehicle damaging roos for instance.. I am actually a bit nervous driving my Sahara after dark until the ARB bar for the new body style 2012, is done in a couple of months...

Kind regards, Steven Gibbs, Admin...


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve

We have decided to put 17" steel rims and Mickey Thompson STZ tyres on our 200series. We will use these for our off road work and big maiden trip with the BT in May this year.We will put the 18" alloys with road tyres for town or non offroad use. Alloys we found were expensive to replace if damaged and 18" AT tyres were hard to get and expensive and a replacement is less likely to be found in remoter areas. We got excellent and objective advice from Philip throughout our decision process.

We had the fit or not to fit ARB winch bar discussion and finally decided that it was good insurance. Had the 200series for three days and hit a roo on a road we have been driving for 20 years and never hit one. Bar paid for itself on day 3 and saved a lot of inconvenience.

Neill & Jude

"We had the fit or not to fit ARB winch bar discussion and finally decided that it was good insurance. Had the 200series for three days and hit a roo on a road we have been driving for 20 years and never hit one. Bar paid for itself on day 3 and saved a lot of inconvenience."
Right Loki, there you go, and in addition to my Post above... Fair Dinkum..!Cowboy...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, we think the ARB steel bar the best for strength and looks. None of our 5 200 Series have anything on the roof, but I cannot believe that is going to make such a difference, as the van is much higher yet. If anything it might even help.

It might be the gear you are towing in like they have said in the above posts, but IMO, running blind, I think you have some mechanical problem.. It could be obscure, like a partially opening thermostat or other blockage.. There is something wrong here. I will have Matthew chime in with his take, but he is towing up on the very maximums (read over) and so are many others, and this is not a common issue. Most get better fuel economy, up in the 20 to low 20s litres per hundred, and overheating is not common.

You must have some mechnical or tuning problem, thermostat, intercooler blockage, exhaust problem or restriction, something is wrong... Look for damage to the exhaust, or some other obscure restriction or blockage IMO.

Kind regards and good luck, on the Road Ranger
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't drive a series 200 LC but there is no denying the fact that when the torque converter fails to lock then the fuel consumption will go through the roof. The same applies with my 100 series and it will apply with any other tug you might like to use.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Not sure if it could be this, but after steves advice I changed the fuel filter. The old one was BLACK!!!!!"

Hi Ben,
If you mean the filter was black with discoloration that could be your problem.
If the engine is suffering fuel starvation a diagnostic code may not always be recorded , hence the dealer not finding anything when scan tool was connected.

Good luck

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Hello Ben
Where did you purchase your scangauge and what model was it? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John,

Go to this Thread http://www.bushtrackerforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=2556&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Scroll down to my post dated Sat Nov 10, called
Being Kind to your LC200 Gearbox.

There's info in there about where to buy, how to set up TFT monitoring and which gear benefits the gearbox the most. There's more info in the posts that follow that one too.
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