BUSHTRACKER VANS ARE HEAVIER THAN OTHERS????

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:59 am    Post subject: BUSHTRACKER VANS ARE HEAVIER THAN OTHERS???? Reply with quote

We can tell you that in reality, all the vans built with the "look of off-road", our so called Competitors, are close in weight. In general, the wood frame builders are heavier than our vans with aircraft style frames, from the trailer assembly up. They have to have larger wood beams across the roof to support the air conditioners and such. We are lighter from the wall frames up. We are heavier from the trailer assembly down because of the body armour and the larger suspension. Overall we are about the same weight, our weight is just on the underside rather than the top in walls and roof. Because of that, in the Bushtracker the centre of gravity is lower than with the rest, but we all weigh about the same..

On the matter if what weight you can expect to tow: We weigh them with the major gear you picked, solar panels-batteries etc, on board, where Others might call it "optional equipment" or Owners cargo, and weigh it before installing that gear. We only want to do the right thing, and weigh the vans with all that equipment on board because the Owners need to know. If you take most of our Optional Equipment, it weighs in about 300- 400 kg. For instance our AGM solar block sealed batteries are over 33kg each, three of them are 100 kg alone! But anyway, in all sizes we weigh the vans with that Optional Equipment installed. If we are heavier than another van in the same size, it is mostly the Optional Equipment we offer, not in the van itself.

In 16' with a lot of gear on board, we have seen weights run about 1900 to 2000kg or a little more. In 18, if you put a lot of gear on board, you can expect to be at about 2.3 tonne. Allow more for extra water tanks and such that will push your overall loaded weight over the 2.5 tonne mark. And with most of that Optional Equipment on board, a 20' can weigh in at 2500 kg.

Some vans will weight a couple of hundred kilos more in each category, if they opt for extremes of equipment, like 4-100 AH batteries, and 4-125 solar panels for powering up a fridge in the tow vehicle, and flat screen TV, and things like automatic deploying Satellite Dishes and such... But again, this is in the Optional Equipment category of gear people have added, not in the van itself.. However, rolling on 16" truck tyres and wheels with our suspension is a lot easier than rolling on normal caravan suspensions; and weight in the case of Independent AND Load Sharing Suspension, is not such an issue. Windage and aerodynamic profile is probably a more relevant concern with respects to fuel economy for most Tow Vehicles....

In Summary the Myth Buster: Our vans are not heavier, we just usually have more Optional Equipment on board, and we weigh them fairly.

Regards from the lone Ranger, Myth Buster.... Wink


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:50 pm    Post subject: BUSHTRACKER VANS ARE HEAVIER THAN OTHERS???? Reply with quote

Hey - like to add a bit of fun here!
Pulled up in the same camp area as another well known "off-Road" brand of van in a remote region. Made small talk to suss out the scene - felt it was ok so stayed and shared a campfire chat.
We keep "Mum" on van comparos until others broach the subject.
So he says "you'd pretty HEAVY there mate"
Me "Ah - not really, 2440Kg ex factory then we have 320L of water, 52 Kg of clothes, 80 Kg of food etc and then the stuff in the boot all adds to 3300KG".
He - oh just a 16 footer eh!
Me - nar - 19'
He - PWHAT! - 19' - thought they all HEAVY!
Me - wots yors -
He - 17' & Had to update car to tow, then we put her over a weigh bridge and found we had to take the van to an engineer to get the VIN and GVM of the van re-rated! Then we had up date the tow vehicle AGAIN - we decided to buy a 100 series to tow it! He was 2300 Kg ex factory! AND 3300 on the road - same as us but ONLY 17'

SO the fire side chat topic was then changed as he sat and pondered the info!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok a laugh for fellow BT owners out there:

For prob the hundredth time, tonight a fellow camper said to me "geez youd be heavy wouldnt you" my usual response was, not really, 2440 unloaded, how about you??? His reply was 2050 unloaded with no shower/toilet!!!

I love the look on the faces....

The other standard question is, what fuel economy do you get towing something that heavy???

I answer, "I usually fill it up when nearing empty!!!"
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "other" caravanners have probably been talking to me. Our 17' BT has a tare weight of 2,580Kg and the last time it was weighed in 2011 by my mate who works for DOT and used their portable scales, it came in at 3,410Kg fully loaded.

So although we love our van it is much heavier than we expected.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col what does your plate say??? Mine is 18ft with extended draw bar, and my plate says 2440kg, i also had mine over a weigh bridge and i was spot on 3500kg with all my water and fuel fully loaded, however we are living in the van permantly and really are loaded up as is to be expected.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a 21 foot Kedron currently for sale on another Forum. Seller indicates that the ATM is 2970kg and the GVM is 3470kg.

That's a payload of only 500kg.

It has 360 litres of water (360kg). That doesn't leave much for personal effects.

My 20ft BT (with similar specs, one less AGM battery) has an ATM of 2660 and a payload of 840kg. One extra battery and an extra 12 inches in length can't explain 310kg more in ATM.

As to Bushtrackers being overweight: another myth busted!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or they are both overweight

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I don't know what you are thinking.. But: If you have an adequate mid sized tow vehicle, Loki's Bushtracker is certainly not overweight. There are well over a 1000 20' Bushtrackers like him happily travelling around in the remotest parts of Australia. On four wheels, it is about as capable as a lot of larger camper trailers on two wheels...


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly I had a convo with the makers of Elross caravans in WA, (no I’m not buying one, but I’d happily trial one free of charge) lol .. anyhow they told me they weigh their vans with full water tanks and gas bottles to give a better understanding of weights.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jenaben79 wrote:
Col what does your plate say??? Mine is 18ft with extended draw bar, and my plate says 2440kg, i also had mine over a weigh bridge and i was spot on 3500kg with all my water and fuel fully loaded, however we are living in the van permantly and really are loaded up as is to be expected.



Mines a 20 foot BT, and with our travel weight which to me equates to being able to live full time on the road, we come in at 3540, with full everything, so first shower for each of us and a meal washing up coffee 1st day we are right on the money. This weight has been verified many times across multiple weigh bridges. It’s just something I dont worry about any more as we are well within any margin of error afforded by authorities that enforce this stuff, probably no more than 40 people across the whole of Qld.

But what does concern me, knowing with certainty my own situation, I always pay particular attention to what’s towing the block of flats hurtling towards me, and do a quick evaluation of their speed and then the capability of the tow vehicle to control those flats should they randomly begin to sway whether by outside influence speed/load induced or blow a tyre.

At the end of the day weight (mass) does matter, and it is being driven by inertia which has a one track mind.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was parked next to a 20.6 length van from a well known manufacturer based in Coolum a few weeks ago. It was brand new and I spoke to the proud owner.

He said he looked at several manufacturers, including Bushtracker, but he considered BTs were too heavy.

I asked his tare weight: 2900kg.

The conversation came to an abrupt halt when I told him my 20ft BT was delivered with a tare of 2660kg.

Oooopsy.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops alright..removefoot from mouth and limp squishily away
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